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Jonny123987Participant
And you are mixing words. Not believing something someone says over and over again and having to make them prove it and then still not believing them and them and then writing about it is implying you don’t believe in them… Don’t be foolish about that. You can lie to yourself all you want but I don’t accept your BS.
Jonny123987ParticipantOk moving on please answer one of the questions I posed to you. How long does a person need to have their finances looked over in your opinion after stopping gambling?
A. The rest of our lives?
B. 1 Year
C. 10 Years
D. When it feels like they have self control again?
E. When you say soPlease answer?
Jonny123987ParticipantThis isn’t an attack on Geordie either. This is me trying to point something out… We are all problems gamblers who are seeking support. I’ve heard on here that GA is a mans club. That people at GA don’t care. That people at GA don’t do this or don’t do that that is supportive. I think the people that say that need to take a step back when visiting GA and realize you are entering a place where sick people are that are trying to get better. They are not people that are professional counselors and shouldn’t;t be looked at as such. They are people with MAJOR issues. Is it a mans club? Hard to say, I do agree that more men are in my GA meetings. I am curious if more men have gambling problems or are less woman willing to admit it and seek help or just don’t need the same similar venting process that men do? It is an interesting questions from a sociological perspective…
It just seems to me that Geordie tells people how it has to be and then uses his own life experiences such as his lack of control and where to draw the line vs what someone else’s lack of control on where to draw the line. For Geordie having access to a lot of money is an impossibility. For me it isn’t. For Geordie investing in a diversified portfolio is gambling and he can’t see past it.But for me it isn’t. Some people may think the earth is flat. But I don’t and that all okay. I am doing better at having self control. And if I gamble again I will be the first one to admit it.
I think we can all agree that none of us or anyone at GA are professional career care givers or professionals when dealing with mental health issues or addiction. We are the addicts and experts at our own addictions and need a safe place to vent our thoughts and hear others thoughts back like this site or GA. There shouldn’t be any right and wrong with people’s thoughts unless those thoughts are about suicide. Then of course we need to intervene. No one on here should question whether we are lying about numbers? No one on hear should put words in each others mouths. Just let this site be what it should be. A a safe place to talk and be yourself and hopefully get some sound advise how to stop gambling. I don’t feel as safe as before so I want to take a moment to think about things. I’m not leaving this site forever. I’m just not going to be posting things like this much more. I’ll just keep my ***** going. Peace everyone and be well!Jonny123987ParticipantDay 335
Hi Everyone, Thank you for taking the time to post on my thread. I do want to still kind of take a GT chill pill as I think I may have taken my gambling addiction and somehow morphed it into using this site and wanting to talk and be heard when I don’t know how important that is to me now vs before when I was first starting my recovery. I don’t know if I do need this support or if I should be strong enough to just be gamble free without having to always talk about it or voice my thoughts. Especially if those thoughts are a burden to others and cause people to say they don’t believe me or question my motives, etc. I came on this site to help me understand my problem and hopefully stop gambling which I have done for 335 days. So firstly and most important – Thank you GT for giving me the forum to talk and be myself. To feel free to be honest and open. It has been great release for me and the support has been amazing and just what I needed at times.
Honestly – I love to talk to people, read there stories, offer some input, and want the best for everyone always. Can I be a jerk – Sure! I’m only back on here writing today because I got like 5 emails in the last day from you very kind folks as well as read this rant from Geordie which fired me up to write today. I also had what I consider a somewhat odd conversation with Geordie who for the life of me can’t seem to make understand my pretty simple life. I read his whole thought process again as I’ve done a number of times and I really don’t understand his fascination with my story or the fact that he just won’t believe me for some reason and that he wants me to constantly prove myself and tell him over and over again about my life and then only hearing back that he doesn’t get it and that he feels I need to do this or that and just doesn’t believe in me… I find it odd and somewhat negative, and condesending. I found it to feel negative when I read it. I feel when I read that its an attack on me somehow. And maybe I need to look within to understand why I feel that way when he writes me. I don’t generally ever feel that way when reading others posts to me even when they are saying some tough truths. I did it and I had a quick scoff but seem to come to a compromise and now I think we are closer than before…?!? The truth to me is if a person can’t add 2+2 and get 4 then I can’t really help them… or honestly care to talk to them. I find it a waste of time. I would suggest that they do take a math class or another class that helps them with their calculations. Geordie I do not seek your approval but would I guess like to hear that you believe in me and not have it come as a two faced back handed compliment like I feel you do often. The only reason I brought up your 5 times in prison was to prove a point. You first used my words against me and to prove that I was a lier or something. Not everything we say defines us as a whole. Yes, you went to prison 5 times… Does that define you as a person? Should I base my judgments off of what I think of a person that had to go to jail 5 times in order to finally recognize right from wrong? Or should I read between the lines to Geordies life and not question and antagonize him about those things or should I support and care about him? Did I question whether he did in fact go to jail 5 times or did I simply believe him and not push him about it as I knew it was a sensitive subject to branch and really none of my business. That being said I do respect Geordie for his service on this site, the way he wants to help others, the way he wants to help me, and the fact that he has almost a year gamble free. I don’t think he needs to be revered on here for being an elder statesman though. He is just a recovering gambler who obviously has flaws like everyone else and if he knew all the answers, well lets just be honest, he wouldn’t have had to go to jail 5 times to figure out that 1 gambling is bad and 2 that doing illegal shite is bad and lands you in jail.
Was I wrong for talking about myself and my job, shopping for new clothes and how it made me feel good, or how I was out of debt and excited to possibly invest smart rather than what I had been doing for 23 years, etc. Maybe I was and thats something I want to think about. This is part of the reason I felt I should take a break, maybe I should think about what I say on a site like this more as people take it very seriously. and they should I suppose. But like I’ve always said I’m on here for me and to have a running ***** and journal too I can reflect back always at how bad it was.
I also would like to point out that an issue I have with Geordie is the way he puts things… I said I wanted to take a break from GT, but somehow he hears as I am running away. Thats just not a supportive positive view point and partially why Geordie and I have issue. I think he doesn’t choose his words correctly but I do think his emotions are directed come from a good place.
Laura and Geordie – You guys asked a question and apparently I haven’t answered it. Geordie pointed it out like I was running from the question but honestly I hadn’t really seen it. To answer the question whether I think having money available to me is a bad or good idea…? The answer I don’t think it matters 1 iota. I have control over millions of dollars at work. I have access to company cards with very high limits and have throughout my gambling career. That was just a line I was never willing to cross. I also talk on here that quitting gambling for me is a self control thing. Sure I needed to have my finances held for me for my first 2-3 months while getting out of the gambling fog but part of the growing process is getting access again and being able to have self control. I’m not a child. I’m an adult who needs to be in control of my finances and my life. I have often said that similar to an alcoholic a gambler can’t just not ever be around gambling again similar to the way an alcoholic will have to be in the presence of alcohol again… they have to have the inner strength and self control to not drink the same way I have to to not gamble. I can’t just live the rest of my life like a child having my mommy look after me and my finances. Geordie has spoken about how his boss has to hold his money, etc. I just can’t do something like that or I would be fired as I’m the guy that’s supposed to be trusted there. And lets just examine that for a moment. 51 year old man that has his boss handle his finances. Is that someone I need to take advise from?
Geordie – You also mentioned that you have taken a couple courses about becoming a counselor. Thats great. But I’m pretty sure none of us would go to a doctor to fix our broken arms if the doctor had his certificate of 2 med classes complete. I would also love to know your gap in that course work?Jonny123987ParticipantHi Monicau,
I just wanted to wish you well. I’m going to take a break from this site for a bit. It isn’t making me feel good anymore so I’m going to step away for a bit… But I wanted to say to you that I feel like you and I understand each other. I want the best for you and know deep down that it’s just a matter of time and things are going to pick up for you. I commend all that you do and have done to fight off this disease. Be well M and know that you are an inspiration to me. Much love sister.Jonny123987ParticipantCongrats on your gamble free time 3racer. I’m going to take a break from this site for a little while or at least not carry on convo’s. I’m a little taken back by all of it. You seem like a good person and I wish you only the very best. Keep staying strong and lets both never gamble again. 🙂
Jonny123987ParticipantI officially going to take a break from this site for a while. I think I’ve heard enough and been questioned enough. I can’t just be myself on here. I came on here because I wanted a safe place to talk and I feel like when I see the emails pop up I kind of cringe. I will take my recovery with me whether people on here or not feel that I’m not taking MY recovery seriously enough. Or that I hold a job over someones head. Or whatever. I’m just being myself and feel that’s not good enough for you folks. I guess now I see why there are like 10-15 people that stay on this site… It most likely is for this reason. I will seek my support elsewhere. Peace to you all and have a great 2018.
Jonny123987ParticipantGeordie – Do you have kids? If you had a choice between who your kids took advise from would it be a hardened criminal with little money who has been on the inside 5 times or a college grad who manages teams of up to 100 people or more and makes 6 figures (most years)?
This isn’t a competition but an honest question. I’ll debate anyone but I also don’t like defending myself to strangers over and over again and most likely will just leave this site and seek a place to write elsewhere. Ask all the questions you want but please give me the respect to believe me and have faith in my recovery.Jonny123987ParticipantGeordie – I don’t understand how to explain my life to you to make you understand and believe in me. I have never been incarcerated and manage work forces of up to 100 men/women at a time. Yes, I had a gambling problem… And I’d like to hear your stories. But only about gambling. You have been incarcerated 5 times in your life. I’m not sure I should listen to you about much of anything else. I’m just saying. Do you think I should listen to you or have to explain myself over and over to a person that doesn’t believe you? Why would BS anyone on a blog site about my recovery? What do I have to gain from it? What are my motives? it seems like you really enjoy the role of senior person on this site which I can respect. But don’t call me out or my recovery man. You really have nom right.
Jonny123987ParticipantRock on!
Jonny123987ParticipantYou write some crazy stuff Kin.
Jonny123987ParticipantHi Monicau,
I’m so sorry that you aren’t feeling well and gees dealing with what you are dealing with trying to find work seems so tough… I really commend you your abstinence and persistence! I must admit I don’t know much about the UK government but that doesn’t seem exactly right to me. It seems both our governments don’t make much sense. Stay strong Monicau… I have a feeling something good is about to happen. 2018 is close and has good things in store.Jonny123987ParticipantOh – And I forgot to mention.
I don’t have to agree with you mate. Just because the book says that gal ha to be honest with people doesn’t;t mean she has to be honest with her potentially cheating boyfriend. I just don’t agree. If she is honest with him and puts all her eggs into his basket and then finds out he is cheating on her or leaves her than she is potentially worse off. She needs to be honest with herself and find the strength within. She needs to reach out to someone else that she can love and trust like a family member. Not some guy that isn’t being faithful. I’m a single man so maybe I look at the whole put all your eggs in the partner basket a little differently. I have a theory that gambling is a personal demon that can’t be beat by others. Others can arm us with the weapons but we need to learn how to master those weapons and use them against the demons in our own ways. How dare you tell me not to tell her my honest feelings. How dare you try to mussel me. Are you the GT police? Haha. I sound a bit mad but I’m not at all. 🙂
Jonny123987ParticipantDay 333 – Very busy these days. Don’t think about gambling much these days…
Geordie – I’m glad you enjoy reading my posts. I’m glad to read your posts. I’m not sure what you want me to say? I’ve been pretty honest as far as I know. I don’t have much to defend or uphold. I will say it for the 20th time. I write on here for my recovery and to tell people the truth about how I feel. If they don’t like what I have to say then they don’t have to read it or agree with it. I’m not a professional counselor. I’m a recovering gambler. I’m not trying to prove myself to you or anyone else. Just to myself. If you don’t like me then I’m ok with that. I do beg one thing of you though. Please just email me a question or two and I’ll answer. But the long email thing doesn’t totally work for me. Also – If I’m going to answer your questions I think it fair that you answer mine. Tit for tat so to say…
Your question – The quick question was how’d you manage to pay 1-2 years debt off in less than six months?
Answer: The estimate to pay off the debt that you are pointing out was made by me based on my old salary and hoping I would work for 9 months or so last year. I also made that assumption while I was in a full blown fog of gambling so I wouldn’t put much merit on it. Fortunately I got lucky and was promoted earning 33% more per week and have not stopped working besides maybe 3-4 weeks in that time as well as picking up side work to make extra scratch. Plus I live a very meager lifestyle and have little to no bills. I also travel for work so I don’t pay rent most months. Does that answer that question for you? Whats the next one?My question: What and why were you incarcerated 5 times in your life?
Jon
Jonny123987ParticipantIt’s hard to imagine ever being normal again… I know Jac. I hope my words didn’t upset you the other day. If I can give you any hope I’m telling you. Let someone else take over your finances. Block yourself from all those sites. Keep getting counseling. Be honest with yourself. Really learn about yourself. Be open to ask all the questions about yourself that you haven’t ever asked or felt ashamed to ask. Attend some GA meetings and see if they make sense. Start a daily workout regime. Start thinking about the cup half full rather than the other way around. Let any losses go. That’s sooo hard…. Let it all go. Stop even thinking or worrying about yesterday. It’s gone. It can’t be changed no matter how many times we think about it. Don’t stress about tomorrow. Theirs really no need. What’s the point. Don’t even stress about 3 hours from now. Try your best to live in the moment. Feel the oxygen as you breath in and breath out. When you see someone smile at them and say hello and mean it. If you ask them how they are doing really listen and respond to them. Text some friends snd just say hi.
Things will get better for you. But it won’t be over night and it won’t be in a week. When I asked the doctors when I’d be able to stand on my toes again they said be patient and it might just happen one day. I could look at it two ways. This sucks… or this is a blessing? It is my choice to determine how I look at all situations. So I choose to look at it as a blessing for so many reasons. You have a choice Jac to turn things around. No one can wave a magic wand. The right words will not fix this. Hard work, self control, loving yourself, letting go of the past, and trying your best to be grateful will one day lead you to what you want. To look at yourself with respect again. With a one day at a time mind set the impossible can be overcome. I believe in you Jac. But you need to believe in yourself my friend. What’s the plan? -
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