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    • #42050
      Rainman444
      Participant

      I have ruined my life.

      If you look at my previous posts you will have seen an incredibly impulsive individual with addiction/self-destructive tendencies. I have won and lost huge sums of money and have managed to live on and rebuild my life but now, i have hit THE bottom.

      I am in debt 40k and have lost potential worth of 400k USD since July. I my last 200k in 1 night of blasting off in BJ and baccarat a week before Thanksgiving, i lost my mind. I started abusing xanax since the start of my downward spiral and it made me completely reckless. I was a basket case since that massive loss in 1 night but I didnt realize the true seriousness of the mess i have made for others until my mom called me a few hours ago in such pain and agony…they lent me 10k when i visited them for thanksgiving and i blew most of it already. They are NOT rich. I was absolutely crushed after that convo. Seeing your mistakes hurt loved ones is much worse than just hurting yourself. I have been suicidal the last couple of weeks barely able to function and especially the last couple of days feeling such shame and regret. How could i be so careless? Did i not care about anything? Did i lose my soul? What have i become?

      I keep thinking i will wake up from this nightmare but no, this is what my life is now. I dont know what to do. I know what i dont want to do is move back into my parents home across the country at the age of 31. It seems like i have no choice now. I am tearing my family apart and ruining friendships by isolating myself. I havent slept since i stopped xanax completely a couple days ago and i feel like im losing it. I KNOW i dont want to gamble EVER again…the pain i put my parents through, put myself through is just too much, even worse than when i kicked my serious opiate addiction years ago…but people losing faith in me is making me feel like i am just lying to myself. Am I? Can i turn this around on my own? I dont know anything anymore.

      What is wrong with me? I had enough capital and investments where if utilized properly i could set myself up potentially for life. I had big dreams. But this self destructive streak thats been a reoccurring theme in my life keeps kicking off a new cycle. This time it feels different…this time there is nowhere left to go except… nowhere. I cannot believe its come to this. Completely broke and in debt. A son where his parents question “where did it go wrong?”. I am not trying to look behind bc ill trip moving foward but maybe i should. Maybe i should feel like the biggest piece of shit. Maybe i should feel like the biggest loser. Maybe i should drown in my own misery so i can sear this memory into my brain so ill never forget it.

      I typically post something here or on other forums when i hit some kind of low and browse a couple days and move on with my life. I now realize this is something i HAVE to work on. Maybe GA meetings? Re-start going to NA meetings again? I would like to see a therapist but im absolutely broke for the first time since highschool. I always had money because i was always a busybody. I feel worthless now. Empty. Half-human half-something…else…

      No matter how bad things got in my life i ALWAYS believed in myself…setbacks would bruise me but i ALWAYS was confident that i would bounce back and i did. This time…after weeks of nothingness…my confidence is shattered. Nothing left.

      Thanks for hearing me.

    • #42052
      finding_laura
      Participant

      Hi Rainman,

      rock bottom is a very hard place indeed. Are you still able to access a doctor? Is coming off Xanax cold turkey recommended? I’m just concerned that it should be done under the guidance of a doctor. Especially while you are dealing with this addiction as well and the new low it has caused.

      We do need to never forget where this addiction has taken us. But we can’t beat ourselves with it. Especially while hanging by a thread.

      NA could be a natural starting point to self help. And GA would give added perspective to dealing with the gambling addiction. No one says you can’t do both. Sounds like you need a lot of support right now. They may have insight into local resources for credit counseling. The creditors will start circling and it’s good to know where you stand. ie is bankruptcy the only option? Is there any property that you can protect etc.

      Such a difficult place. You are not alone. Reach out for whatever supports you can get. But do not borrow any more from your parents unless they are your only option to keep yourself fed and the lights on. And if so, they must know that the money is going for that. They deserve that much. We will just keep throwing good after bad. We will throw our money and others just as easily. We are addicted to the bet. And we keep betting til the money runs out!! You may as well have asked your parents to lend you crack. The money makes the bet go round.

      The denominations were a little different but I did the exact same thing. I borrowed money from my mother to cover an imminent overdue expense and I went and gambled it right away. Literally ten minutes later.

      I couldn’t believe what I had done. So insane! But there was hope for me and there is hope for you. Big change is required. One little step at a time.

      Laura

    • #42053
      charles
      Moderator

      Hi Rainman,

      I have looked at your previous thread…. that one referred to ones before that as well.

      Maybe you should revisit them yourself – what advice did you get then?

      I would agree with Laura about the xanax – get proper medical advice.

      “I typically post something here or on other forums when i hit some kind of low and browse a couple days and …….”

      Then learn from that – take steps NOW, get to GA and back to NA NOW. Do it now before the pain fade, then keep doing it.

      If we need help to stop gambling then we should also use support to maintain recovery.

      O hope you keep posting here but if you disappear and then return in a few months then I also hope you maintian this thread rather than start a new one – that way you will already have the advice in place.

    • #42054
      Jacquespaul
      Participant

      Hi Rainman (Cool name).

      I read your post and totally emphasise with your words and story and feel for you.

      I have been in the same place recently as you and felt exactly like you some 4 weeks ago. Basically my life was unrecoverable and over. Impossible situations and events and losses ended up with me with 6, yes 6 suicide events within a three period. Self afixiation and jumping from some tall buildings were my choices during tjis desperate period. 100% I wanted To end the torment and pain I was feeling and going through. And planned each with meticiolos care but events transpired I failed each time. ( A timely phone call from my daughter some seconds before I was going to jump of the Hilton skyline bar some 100 feet up to name one).
      Anyway like on my blog I received lots of good advice and comments from many members of this site. Even those words from those members (And they were wise words) I could not see a ‘light at the end of any tunnel. I felt total overwhelmed in my head with everything. Little sleep compounded with everything going wrong and not just in my gambling life. Chasing loss after loss and completely losing myself in a gambling bubble I couldnt escape. Just a question = do you suffer from depression ? (I did and the gambling possibly was an escape from certain other issues in my life).
      Bottom line is read my blog:
      https://www.gamblingtherapy.org/en/first-post
      You can see I went from 30k + up to 30 k down in the space of 5 weeks. I posted goodbye posts on my first suicide attempt as mentioned in my previous comment with my daughter. I also recognised even when I had no debt some 3 months ago I could see the fall coming. People posted to try and Save me. I’m a compulsive gambler and at the time couldn’t be saved. No message was strong enough. No advice struck me. That is why I post to you this evening that there is always a way foward with your situation. I look foward to your response then can give more information and hopefully help in your situation.

      Thanks for reading. Paul

    • #42055
      Monkey15
      Participant

      Your thread has taken me straight back to how I was feeling a few weeks back. This GA really sucks and bleeds us dry. I at times felt I had been replaced by this person I hardly recognised and the things I would do and thought I’d doing, shock me now when I remember …hell, was that really me this soul less creature chasing the flashing lights, sounds and false excitement of a possible win that rarely came…I got to a point that I didn’t care about anything, including myself. But hey, I’m here as you are telling our stories with the constant hope of another GF day, week, months and years. We are all here because we need support and want to stop. It was only when I came on this site after 18 years of serious problem gambling that I’ve been able to accept and call mysel a CG. It has only been then, with this acceptance that my recovery journey has allowed me to face my demons and understand the true nature of this addiction. I’m slowly clawing my life back and know this time I need to stay on track before I loose my true self forever. Seek out as much support as you can, we need this. The person that you speak of, that was you is still there. Be kind and forgiving of yourself. Some people speak of making a choices in our lives, to gamble. I make a choice of not to today or tomorrow. Step by step, day by day you can do this.

    • #42056
      Jacquespaul
      Participant

      Are you ok Rainman.

    • #42057
      Rainman444
      Participant

      Thank you everyone for the responses. I have read them all an i truly appreciate it.

      finding_laura. You were right about cutting xanax off cold turkey being a bad idea. The withdrawals and the symptoms that came with it exacerbated EVERYTHING. I am currently weaning off 🙂

      charles. I will take your advise and continue to update this post only instead of creating a new one to sear these memories into my brain.

      Jacquespaul, yes i have suffered from depression for most of my life and i believe bc i never really got treatment for it, it may have caused me to have these destructive cycles. Its unreal how much i can relate to how you felt when you say you had no debt but could see the fall coming. I was very comfortable financially yet i KNEW i was going to blow it all. Its like i was writing my own book and was helpless in changing the narrative.

      Monkey15, i can so relate when you say you have been replaced by someone else. I could hardly recognize myself anymore. I couldnt even look in the mirror. When i lost the absurd amount of 200k in ONE NIGHT, i felt like i was possessed. What sane person does that? Believe me when i say its not as easy as it sounds to lose that sort of money in 24 hours. You have to move money around, click alot of buttons, sign alot of forms etc…it was almost an out of body experience, like it wasnt me and i was just watching myself do it.

      Turns out my original post was NOT rock bottom…turns out one can drop further. My best friend loaned me some money to get back on my feet and i was able to clear all my debts and pay rent, get back on my feet etc within 2 weeks (more details on this later). But of course i didnt. Of course i took that money and blew it ALL…atleast i payed my friend back first. Mentally i was just in a really bad place for a while, a place i wouldnt wish upon my worst enemy. I was despondent and was ignoring everyone around me. I am not a religious person but without going into too much detail some sort of divine intervention saved me from making the biggest mistake of my life, a finalizing one. Without the support of friends and family i dont know if i would even be here today writing this post.

      I have come to the realization that even though i have lost a fortune, broke and in debt, i am rich in other areas of my life. I may not care about myself but others do and i owe it to them to fight on.

      The immediate future is currently looking bleak. I am unable to pay my credit card bills (my near perfect score is going to go to shit) and am scrounging to pay for food and rent. I had alot of expensive material possessions i sold off and that was a pretty sobering experience. I was fixated on the fact that i was SO fortunate to be in a position i was in not too long ago but with my destructive habits…it was going to come crashing down sooner or later.

      Being able to not worry about how much this or that cost, not caring about the price of a bottle of wine at a resturaunt, not worried about expenses etc…to having to sell things and ***** every dollar hurt my ego. I always was the one to help my family and friends whenever they needed anything…having them help me now gives me mixed emotions. For christmas my sister is flying me back to my parents so we can all spend it together…my sister is academia so it doesnt pay well and i know the money is alot for her to fly me out across the *****ry. She has been incredible nonetheless.

      I believe i was a judgmental guy before because i would look down on a man who would burden their loved ones like this, degenerates and liars…I have become that man.

      Currently I am torn. My best friend is again more than willing to help me get back on my feet. We came up together jumping from grind to grind, went from being broke to making something of ourselves. I have known him most my life, hes a special individual and probably has near genius level IQ. The thing is, is that the way for me to get back on my feet… many here or anywhere matter of fact would consider it as gambling. I was (am?) a professional poker player and a very successful one at that. But my kryptonite is the pit, games where the house always has the advantage. I also invested and traded in crypto currencies with good timing and made a small fortune there as well and some here may consider that gambling as well. I am a highschool dropout and have no other real world skills to make a living. So yeah, its a little bit complicated, and i am sure many here would advise me not to go back into poker/trading. To me…this is a life-line…to others it may look like a lynch. I am trying to be as objective/rational/logical as possible. I just dont want to be stuck living a life forever in debt making minimum wage, I also dont want to venture deeper into the depths of self destruction.

      Regardless of any move i make i 100% realize i need some sort of help. Posting here and maybe even getting a therapist. Getting to the root of my destructive ways.

      Thank you all for your supportive words.

    • #42058
      kathryn
      Participant

      I don’t know anything about crypto currency, or poker for that matter.
      I am a compulsive gambler. When I start, I can’t stop until it’s gone, I could win win win and would stay until I have blown the lot and then some.
      I guess you have to weigh up what you have to lose here.
      And it’s not just money we are talking about. It’s self esteem, self worth and self control ( the hardest of all)
      I can see how you are tossing up what to do.
      In saying that, it doesn’t sound to me like poker and crypto have done you any favours lately?
      I can’t tel you what to do, it’s your life and your decision.
      I can never gamble again, I know that. ( mind you it took me 15 years and the loss of my Home to get it through my head!)
      Only you can make the choice. May I suggest to read some other posts here, you may get more perspective that could help you.
      I wish you all the very best and hope to read more of your story.
      Love K x

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